Friday, March 13, 2015

1.3 In this scene, Shylock gives some indication of his dislike of Christians, Antonio in particular. Is he justified?

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  1. Anders Sundheim - 5

    When Shylock voices his dislike of Christians, he does not focus on his hatred for Christians, rather he speaks out against the hatred against him and his religion. He openly despises Antonio, citing multiple times in which Antonio has spit on him and called him things such as "misbeliever" or "cutthroat dog". To compound his hatred, Antonio consistently fails to repay his debts and asks for more after mistreating Shylock. Shylock is completely justified in his hatred of Christians, especially Antonio due to the persecution and de-humanization of him and his kind.

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    1. Ian Young-1
      I agree with your opinion. Because the way Antonio treated Shylock was very de-humanizing. He was called such terrible things because of his religion which is completely unjustified. Shylock has a right to be angry at the Christians. If I was in Shylock's position I would not have given the satisfaction of giving him money.

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  2. Grant Grosskopf - 5

    Yes he is justified because of the persecution of the Jews from the Christians. He has a reason to hate the Christians because of all the things they do to them. Also, Antonio does not repay his debts and still ask for more even after the fact that he treats Shylock like a dog.

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  3. Jack Loomis - 6

    Shylock, while disliking Christians due to the conflict between the Christians and the Jews in Venice, also dislikes Antonio for other reasons. Antonio lends out money with out interest, which ruins Shylock's business of being a banker. Antonio also is against interest, which makes Shylock even more indignant. And Antonio spurns Shylock, calling him a dog and a devil, which leads to further Shylock's dislike of Antonio. Based on what Shylock says, it can also be inferred that the other Christians in Venice act in much the same way towards him. Because of the rejection and hatred that Shylock consistently experiences at the hands of Christians, the dislike that he feels towards Christians is justified. And with Antonio, who actively spurns Shylock, the dislike is also most justified.

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    1. I agree with all of your reasoning. However, it was illegal for Christians back then to lend money, so while Antonio probably has given money to his friends it would not be as big as the money that Shylock lends.

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  5. Sean O'Brien - 5

    I agree with what Grant said, because of the ways that the Christians rudely disrespected the Jews. Antonio especially degraded Shylock in multiple ways, including calling him a disbeliever, dog, and also even spitting on his clothes. Antonio has not shown any respect toward Shylock or any Jew, and I do not see a reason why Shylock should like Christians at this point.

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  7. Jim Strom - 6

    Yes, Shylock is justified because during the time period Christians mistreated the Jews. This is because Jews are a minority to them and are different. The mistreatment forces Shylock to grow angry and dislike the Christians and causes him to want a small piece of revenge. Furthermore, Shylock is not justified as well because of the way he retaliates to the Christians in general.

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    1. I agree with Jim. Shylock has a right to have hatred towards the Christians because of how they mistreat the Jews during this time period. Jim also is correct in saying that he should not hate all of the Christians, because not all of them mistreated the Jews, he should focus his revenge on more individuals than the whole faith.

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  8. John Price - 5

    Shylock is completely justified in his hatred towards all Christians. The main reason why this is true stems from the fact that Antonio is the only major representation that Shylock sees. To Shylock, Antonio represents all of Christianity's ideals. This leads to Shylock's hatred of Christians when Antonio does not pay but instead asks for more, while calling Shylock a dog.

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    1. Joshua Surges - 5
      John, although I agree Shylock is justified in his resentment of Antonio, the man who has ostracized and despised Shylock all his life, Shylock cannot simply hate an entire religion based on the actions of a few. Shylock is no better than the Christians of the time if he does choose to despise all of christendom. I believe Shylock is justified in his dislike of Antonio and those who torment him, however he cannot dislike all of christendom based on the actions of a few.

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    2. John, I do agree with some aspects of your post, however, I also agree with Josh. Shylock has been tormented his whole life by Christians and Antonio, but not by all Christians. I do agree that he is justified in his hatred of Antonio, but not all Christians have disrespected him. One simply cannot hate the many because of the few. Though the Italian Christians treated Shylock and his fellow Jews like scum, It is possible that Christians in other parts of the world would not do that.

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  9. Nick Wieber - 6

    Shylock provides valid reasons for his dislike of Christians. The Christians abuse the Jews, yet Antonio still has the courage to ask for money. Shylock states, "You spurned me such a day; another time / You called me 'dog'-and for these courtesies / I'll lend you thus much moneys" (Shakespeare 1.3.137-139). Shylock says that they spit on him and call him a dog, but sarcastically states that because of all these gracious acts, I'll give you money.

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  10. Noah Rauh - 5

    Shylock is just for disliking the Christians because of the way they dehumanized the Jews. Also because the Jews had to change their way of life so much just because something they believe in. For example while in public Jews must wear red caps to indicate that they are different. Shylock is also just for his hatred for Antonio. Antonio has spat on him and called him a misbeliever and cutthroat dog yet he still goes to him when he needs money. And although asking for a pound of flesh for not paying off the 3,000 ducats in 3 months in a bit cruel, I can see where the anger is coming from.

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  11. Josh Mapalo-1
    Shylock is definitely justified for what has happened to him. It's not right that Shylock is mistreated because of his religion. Antonio has called him terrible things for being a Jew and you shouldn't be mistreated because of your religion. But Antonio still has the nerve to ask Shylock for money and help him out. Shylock also doesn't like Antonio because he lends money to other people without interest which hurts Shylocks business.

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  12. I feel that while it is very generalized for Shylock to say that he dislikes Christians as a whole, he is justified in the sense that he is constantly ostracized by Christians. Shylock has clearly been in situations where he is even kicked and spat upon solely based on his religion. Also, I feel that Shylock (due to having the viewpoint of the oppressed) has a much better understanding of what his situation is like than we can empathize with.

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  13. Phil Volkert-1
    Shylock should be mad at the Christians for their inhumane treatment to him. Shylock said that they called him dogs and spat on him while he was walking, and for what? just because he is a Jew. He thinks that all men should be equal and especially the two closest major religions. Shylock knows what they think of him and he asks kind of insulting question, "Shall I bend low, and in a bondman's key" (Shakespeare 1.3.133). Shylock is asking if he should be like a slave! That is terrible to even think that some who is just a different religion should be treated like a slave. So yes, I do think that Shylock was justified to despise the Christians.

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  15. Declan Byrne - 5
    I think that Shylock's dislike of Antonio is definitely justified. Antonio treats him terribly, as though he is not even a human being. I think he has the right to dislike Antonio, but not to go as far as taking his life if he does not repay his debt. I think that Shylock is not justified in attempting to take Antonio's life, as nothing Antonio had done in the past justified this kind of action from Shylock.

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  16. Brett Walsh-1
    Marcelo I agree with you that Shylock says that he dislikes Christians as a whole, and I agree that he is justified to say the hurtful things he says to Antonio. He is justified for this because he is constantly ridiculed by Christians and he makes remarks for when Antonio ridiculed him. I think that Shylock has a good basis for hating Antonio because he ridiculed him, but I do not think he should be able to dislike Christians as a whole. I agree with Shylock and how he is always ridiculed by Antonio because no one likes being bullied. Antonio is basically bullying Shylock so Antonio is just being mean. At least that is what I think.

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  17. Shylock's hatred of the Christians, especially Antonio, was justified because of their inhuman treatment of Shylock. He justly hated them for openly discriminating him, such as when they spit on him as he walks by or when Antonio repeatedly calls his offensive things like a dog, disbeliever, and devil. He justly hated Antonio because he was the model of the Jew hater. He spat at Shylock, called him names, and rudely criticized him for his religion. To make matters worse, Antonio tries to get a loan from Shylock despite how he commonly mistreats him.

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  18. Ulysses Quesada - 6
    I feel that Shylock's hate towards Christians is justified in the sense that he hates Antonio because of his past experiences with him but he many not necessarily hate ALL Christians. It seems more of a generalization rather than a justified accusation just from this point. He goes on to say how Jews in general have had to endure the scorn of Christians and what he has said becomes more justified in that he is not only lashing out for the unfairness he's had to go through, but his brothers as well and his accusation becomes justified

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  19. I feel like Shylocks hatred for christians is a little harsh. But if what he said is true then i can definitely see his justification. Shylock said that Antonio and others spit at him and call him a dog, if this is true, and if it were done to me, i would probably hate him and other christians too. No one should be able to say those kinds of things or have to deal with it.

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  20. Daniel Karll -1
    I believe that Shylock's hatred towards Antonio and the Christians is justified because he has been berated by all of them for quite some time, and is basically viewed as a second class citizen compared to them just because he is a Jew. In addition, Antonio also has been hurting Shylock's business by lending money to people without an interest or rate. Truthfully, if I was Shylock I wouldn't have given Antonio the light of day over the conversation on the loan, let alone lend him 3000 ducats without a rate.

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  21. Lou Stephenson - 1
    I think that Shylock is wrong to hate Christians, but I can see where he is coming from. Words can hurt, but that is no reason to hate a whole religion. Look at Islam. The extremists can do some horrible things, but in reality, most Muslims are very nice. It is never right to hate a religion, especially on the actions of one person.

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  22. Sai Nagisetty- 5
    I believe Shylocks anger is justified because of the way he is treated like a dog. At some points it seems a bit extreme, for example he should not want to kill Antonio, but it is okay for him to dislike him. I think it is unfair to Shylock to be hated just for being a Jew.

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  23. Jack O'Shea-6
    I believe that Shylock's anger is just because of his harsh treatment by the Christians, especially Antonio. For his entire life, Shylock has been treated like he was less than human by the Christians. When asking for the loan, Shylock reminds Antonio that Antonio spat on him the previous Wednesday. Antonio also hurts Shylock's business be returning money without the interest. I think, however, that it is wrong for Shylock to want to kill Antonio, even though he treats Shylock like dirt.

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  24. Jack O'Shea-6
    I believe that Shylock's anger is just because of his harsh treatment by the Christians, especially Antonio. For his entire life, Shylock has been treated like he was less than human by the Christians. When asking for the loan, Shylock reminds Antonio that Antonio spat on him the previous Wednesday. Antonio also hurts Shylock's business be returning money without the interest. I think, however, that it is wrong for Shylock to want to kill Antonio, even though he treats Shylock like dirt.

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  25. Thomas Barrett-6-
    Shylock's irritation with the Christians is portrayed through his outbreak towards Antonio. At the time I believe he was absolutely justified in being this angry. Jews were marginalized by the Christians in Venice and Christians also had more power. Shylock and many jews were treated unjustly only because of their religion, which is more than enough reason to show resentment towards a Christian.

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  26. Garrett Rusch - 6

    I believe that Shylock's hatred towards Christians and outburst at Antonio is completely justified. His religion is very commonly discouraged by Christians and is also thought of as less than a human. When Antonio asks him for a loan, he brings up that Antonio had spat upon him the previous week. If I were him, I would also be fed up with people asking for money and not returning it. I think that justifies his anger and want to harm Antonio by taking a pound of his flesh if the payment is not returned. In a way, it could be his way of telling the Christians to not mess with him and Jews are not lower than any other religion.

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  27. Garrett Rusch - 6

    I believe that Shylock's hatred towards Christians and outburst at Antonio is completely justified. His religion is very commonly discouraged by Christians and is also thought of as less than a human. When Antonio asks him for a loan, he brings up that Antonio had spat upon him the previous week. If I were him, I would also be fed up with people asking for money and not returning it. I think that justifies his anger and want to harm Antonio by taking a pound of his flesh if the payment is not returned. In a way, it could be his way of telling the Christians to not mess with him and Jews are not lower than any other religion.

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  28. Alex Radocha-1
    Shylock's dislike of Christians is fair and justified. Shylock has developed a generalization that all Christians treat Jews unfairly and are a threat. He has never came across a Christian that has treated him with great respect. There is no evidence or reason for Shlock to think well upon Christians. However, Shylock wanting a pound of Antonio's flesh is a bit excessive. His idea of payment suggests that the only way of payment is to spill blood, rather than a more civil punishment. Shlock believes that the Christians put themselves above any other religion, causing his hatred toward Christianity.

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  29. Luis Rojo-22
    I think that it is fair to say that Shylock had a point in saying those things about Christians. Since Jews at this time were being discarded and mistreated by Christians and other religions, Shylock is enraged with Antonio because he himself is a Christian. If i was in Shylock's position, I would mostly do what Shylock did.

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  30. Manuel Macias - 1
    I agree with Shylock and he is correct to have hatred against Christians. Shylock has been named horrible things from the Christians and was never given an apology or any regard of it. Even though the Jews and the Christians had a feud back then. Shylock had a personal one towards Antonio.

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  31. I do believe that Shylock is justified for disliking Christians. At this time, Jews were had less rights and were forced to show their religion by wearing red hats. Although it is not a bad thing to display your religion, by wearing the red hats, the Christians are able to target who the Jews are and torment them. I believe that Shylock also has the right to resent Antonio because just the other day, Antonio spits in his face and now he is asking him for a major loan.

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  33. Shylock is one hundred percent justified. The way the Jews were treated back then was horrific. The Jews were locked up every night like prisoners. It's not like the Jews did anything wrong either. They kept to them self and stayed out of the way, but for a Christian to ever spit on a Jew is just baffling. Then for Antonio to come back in a few days and ask Shylock for money is even more baffling.

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  34. I believe that Shylock is justified for disliking christians. he truly does have the right to dislike them because the Jews did not have a lot of rights unlike the christians. The Jews were forced to wear red hats at this time, so the christians could spot the Jews, he was also spit at from a christian. Which leads Shylock to say that if Antonio does not fulfill his deal that he will take one pound of Bassanios flesh.

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  35. I believe that Shylock is justified to dislike Antonio. The time period of the play is when Jews were not treated with the respect they deserve from christians. Antonio especially degraded Shylock in multiple ways, including calling him a disbeliever, a dog, even spitting on his clothes. Also Jews had to wear red hats when in public to show they were Jewish, where as the christians had to wear nothing. After all this disrespect thrown at Shylock, Antonio comes back a few days later and expects Shylock to help him? For those reasons I think Shylock was very just.

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  36. I believe that Shylock is completely justified in disliking Antonio. Any normal human being could not like a someone after what Antonio has said and done to him. I also believe that Shylock is justified is disliking any Christian because they have stood by and watched as Jews have had their rights taken away. People could make the argument that Shylock doesn't know all Christians and therefore could not say he dislikes all Christians, but I think he can because no one has tried to help the Jews. The Christians are just fine with what is happening to the Jews and this allows the torment to continue

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  37. I believe that Shylock is justified to dislike Antonio. Jews did not have many rights at this time and were even forced to wear a red hat in public if they were Jewish. The Jews were easily able to be pointed out and this caused them to be tormented by Christians very easily. Shylock had the right to dislike Antonio because Antonio went from showing him no respect one day and even spitting in his face, to asking for money the next.

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  38. I believe that Shylock is justified in the hatred and disliking of Antonio and Christians all together. In the time period of the play the Christians limited what the Jews could do. They weren't allowed to be citizens, they couldn't come and go as they pleased, they were forced to lived in ghettos or slums, and they were all around treated as lesser. In the play Antonio is said to have spit on Shylock and shows no intention of apologizing. The christians including Antonio have showed acts of humiliation towards jews and give Shylock justification in his dislike towards Christians.

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  39. Shylock was completely justified for his anger towards Christians because of the way Christians had treated him. In the play, Antonio emasculates Shylock and treats him like an animal, spitting on him and calling him a dog. During that time period in Venice, Jews were constantly mocked by Christians, being forced to wear red hats and live in a ghetto. Any self-respecting Jewish man would harbor a dislike towards a Christian man who had treated them badly, especially if the Christian then had the nerve to ask him for money.

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  40. I believe Shylock was justified in his dislike for the Christians. He feels this way because the Christians spit on him and call him a dog but now Antonio is coming to him and begging for money. Shylock believes that he should not give Antonio the money after how he has treated Shylock which is a fair decision by Shylock.

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  41. Brady Burkle - 8
    I believe Shylock is justified in his hatred of Antonio, but not necessarily in his hatred of all Christians. Antonio has done horrible things to him, such as spitting on him and calling him a dog, but not all Christians are like that. Basing a hatred of a religion off of the actions of one man is not justifiable.

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  42. I think that Shylock is justified in his opinion for hating Antonio, and Christians in general. He has been looked down on and spat on by Antonio. There are many other instances where the Christians have treated the Jews poorly. I am not saying there is no room for forgiveness, however he is justified.

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  43. I think he is justified. He is mad for being treated so bad and he doesn't really care at this point what happens to a Christen. I don't think asking for a pound of flesh is the right way to solve an issue but at the time they couldn't see that and didn't want to see that.

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