I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. The bond between Antonio and Shylock was broken, and the punishment was the cutting off of a pound of Antonio's flesh, but Shylock had many chances to show mercy. Even when offered a total sum of 60,000 ducats (20 times the original amount), he still plots to "have his bond". This shows the purely evil side of Shylock, as in the process of carrying out the bond could cost Antonio his life. Shylock is only out to get Antonio and strike fear into the hearts of Christians. He want's the Jews to be treated at an equal level, which is a good cause, but is going about this in a completely wrong and, to me, a quite disturbing way.
I agree because his vengeance was out of hate for Antonio, which shows he was doing this to get even instead of actually having a good reason to be angry. Shylock just hates Antonio because of his religion, which is unjust.
In my opinion, Shylock's final decision is not justified. The bond did say that Antonio owed Shylock a pound of his flesh if Antonio failed to pay the loan back. Shylock had many opportunities to oversee his desire and to forgive Antonio. However, his stubbornness continued. Bassanio offered him three times more the ducats that he lent, but he still refused. The fact that he rejects the offer enlightens the dark side of Shylock and shows how evilness drips within his heart. He wants everybody to be equal, but as Thomas said, he is doing it the wrong way.
I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. However, the way in which he wanted to enact that vengeance is a bit extreme. Shylock was wronged by Antonio. Antonio spit on him, kicked him, and hurt his business. If that happened to me, I'd be wanting revenge too. But, Shylock's desire to kill Antonio is wrong. He was given many chances to show mercy, and was even offered many times the original amount owed to him. Yet, he was focused on revenge and it came back to hurt him.
In my opinion, Shylock's desire is justified. Even though his desires our evil outrageous. At this point we know that Shylock won't stand down from the bond no matter how much he is offered. Antonio has cost him a lot of money, and done a lot of wrongful things to him ad this is Shylock's evil and more brutal way of returning it and enforcing equality between Christians and Jews by putting pressure on the Duke to not give in to saving the Christian but rather follow the bond that Antonio agreed to.
Marcelo Quesada - 1 Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified in the sense that Antonio has done many wrongs to him, such as calling him names, spitting on him, and kicking him. Although, from the Christian perspective we are told to turn the other cheek when wrong is done upon us, and it is obvious that desiring to cut off a pound of flesh is not turning the other cheek, but is instigating trouble. So from the Christian perspective, his vengeance is seen as unjustified. Despite this, it is not hard to see why Shylock wants to exact vengeance after hearing from his and Antonio's mouths what has been done to him. A desire for vengeance can be argued as a natural human feeling, which Shylock had done in the previous act, but Shylock's method of dealing with this feeling is definitely an extreme case. Because of how extreme his vengeance is, I feel that ultimately his desire is unjustified.
Phil Volkert-1 I do think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. It is justified because the Christian's have done some terrible things to Shylock and this is his only way to retaliate. Shylock using the court as a jury to watch him and fulfill the bond was genius. He could not have went after Antonio in any other way because the court room was the only place where your religion did not determine the treatment of yourself. If someone is picking on another person it is only a matter time till they get sick of it and will try to break free from their rein. If the treatment from Antonio is too terrible to handle anymore. Shylock is in that situation and has the chance to take his life, but I think Shylock should not take Antonio's life but make sure that Antonio never calls him another name.
Declan Byrne - 5 I think that Shylock's desire for vengeance was justified to a degree. Antonio treated him terribly just because he was a Jew, and acted as though Shylock was subhuman. I do not think that Shylock was justified in attempting to take Antonio's life though. Antonio treated him horribly, but nothing that he did warranted Shylock's extreme response. Although Shylock was justified in the desire for a degree of vengeance, he was not justified in attempting to kill Antonio.
Sean Runnoe- 6 Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified in this case because to him, getting justice is to kill Antonio. Getting money from him is more satisfying because then you can see your enemy poor and bankrupt and now the more wealthy Shylock could treat Antonio like Antonio did to him. Shylock does deserve justice, but he should not be able to kill someone to get it.
Tom Barrett-6- Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified, but not the way that he wants it. Shylock and the Jewish community in Venice had been treated unequally and unjustly for hundreds of years. He had made a made a fair bond with Antonio and had set out a clear consequence of one pound of flesh if he did not receive his investment back. When Antonio does not return the money, he is at the mercy of Shylock. The duke asks him several times if he would be willing to take massive amounts of money instead of the flesh. This would be more than enough for vengeance, but Shylock insists upon the flesh. Shylock's desire is for murder, not vengeance and that is why his actions are not justified.
I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. Antonio has been insulting him and all of his people for years. He should be able to seek for vengeance after everything Antonio has done to him like spitting on him and kicking him. Also, Antonio made a bond with Shylock saying that he would let him cut off a pound of his flesh if he did not pay back the three thousand ducats. Although the way that Shylock is intending to get his vengeance is extreme he deserves to get revenge on him. The Jews had been treated terribly by the Christians for years and they deserve to get revenge. Shylock should get his vengeance in a different way though, killing someone would only cause more problems that it would solve.
I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. Antonio has been treating him like dirt for a long time. He should have the ability to revenge him. However he can not because he is a Jew. He is frowned upon be everyone, all because of his faith. Society of that time believes that christians were the best. Continued, Jews can not touch the christians.
I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. He has been treated unfairly throughout the entire play just because he is a Jew. Antonio spit on him, kicked him, and damagedhis business. Any human being would want revenge from these actions. However, the way he wants to receive vengeance is a bit extreme. Wanting to kill or physically hurt Antonio is unessasary, but Shylock's anger is reasonable.
I think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified because Antonio has treated him very poorly over their time knowing each other. Shylock says in the play that he has watched how Antonio and other Christians treat him and he wants revenge and it will be worse than what Antonio has done to him. I think it is too harsh for Shylock to want to kill Antonio to get revenge.
I don't think shylocks desire for vengeance is not morally just. but according to the law the pound of flesh belongs to him. even though shylock has been mistreated by Christians murder is not justified. while shylock does deserve something for what has happened to him and his people killing a Christian would likely make it even harder for the Jewish people.
I believe that Shylock is justified to a certain extent. His persistence for the pound of flesh is the exception. Although I agree that Antonio must repay Shylock, Shylock was offered three times the original amount, yet he denies it. From a moral standpoint, he should accept the money and nothing more. However, a person cannot reasonably negotiate with him. Despite being labeled a Jew, that is not the reason he is being defiant. His very nature, as described through some of his speeches, is materialistic. He cares more about the money and flesh rather than being a good person.
It is human nature to want revenge when someone wrongs us. Shylock is justified in the sense that he has been wronged and wants revenge. However, throughout the trial in 4.1, Shylock continues to prove that he is so irrationally bent on killing Antonio, and his desire for revenge becomes unjust. A normal human being would want revenge, but not to the point of refusing such a massive profit on the bond just to get revenge.
Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. Shylock turned down a fortune of dockets just to cause another human pain, only because he wants to feel like he has had his revenge. Shylock even cared more about his money than he did his own daughter, which proves to us how poorly this makes Shylock look to the public. The public audience might also get the feeling that all Jews are are terrible people like Shylock is demonstrating.
Zach Sekaran - 6 There is a stark difference between vengeance and killing another person. I agree with Daniel that wanting revenge is human, but killing a person is sick. Shylock could have made Antonio's life miserable, e.g. making Antonio work for him, but Shylock is so focused on Antonio's death that nothing would persuade him.
Jack Reilly-5 Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. This because Antonio has done many wrongs to Shylock, he has spit in his face, he kicked and disgraced his nation. Disgracing the Jewish nation probably made Shylock the most angry. Also Antonio has hurt Shylock's business. His revenge is a little extreme but if this happened to me I would look for revenge. Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified.
I think Shylock is and is not justified for vengeance. The reason I think he is justified is because Antonio did not pay the money for the bond. Also, Antonio has been disrespecting Shylock and his religion. The reason I think he is not justified is because murder is still murder no matter what someone does to you.
I believe that Shylock's thirst for vengeance is justified. Shylock is looked down on by society because he is a Jew and is hated greatly by Christians. Although extreme, Shylock wants to kill Antonio for revenge because Antonio is Christian and his people have been prejudice to Jews for a long time. It is natural for humans to seek revenge on each other. Sure, there are alternative and better way for Antonio to get revenge on Antonio, but when it is considered that Shylock's people have been hated on by Antonio's for years, I can see where Shylock is coming from. It should be noted that murder would not be my go to plan in this situation, rather, I understand what Shylock must feel.
I believe that Shylock's thirst for vengeance is justified. Shylock is looked down on by society because he is a Jew and is hated greatly by Christians. Although extreme, Shylock wants to kill Antonio for revenge because Antonio is Christian and his people have been prejudice to Jews for a long time. It is natural for humans to seek revenge on each other. Sure, there are alternative and better way for Antonio to get revenge on Antonio, but when it is considered that Shylock's people have been hated on by Antonio's for years, I can see where Shylock is coming from. It should be noted that murder would not be my go to plan in this situation, rather, I understand what Shylock must feel.
I think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. The fact that he is treated like trash by Christians is absolutely horrible, but that's no reason to take a man's life. The extent of Shylock's vengeance is way too far. He should still want vengeance, but he should not want to murder another human being.
I think that Shylock' s desire for vengeance was justified, but the act of taking out the vengeance was not. Shylock has been berated, spat on, and been taken advantage of by Antonio so at the very least he should have wanted to find a way to get back at him. However, I think killing Antonio over his hatred towards the Christians is a little harsh and not justified.
Charlie Gutierrez- 6 I believe Shylock's thirts for vengeance on Antonio is justified, however not on the level of murdering him. Antonio has hurt Shylock's business and has been discriminating on him for his religion but Shylock is not the nicest guy in Venice either. Shylock could have a different clause in the bond then murdering Antonio as way for vengeance, but Shylock turning down 36,000 dockets, which are more important to him than his daughter speaks a lot about him.
I do not believe Shylock's desire for vengeance can be justified. Shylock lets his pride get in the way of doing the right thing. Instead of being merciful and accepting Antonio's payment of ducats, Shylock still wants to kill Antonio by taking the pound of flesh.
I believe Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. But, the way in which he wishes to get is wrong. Shylock was surely wronged by Antonio and anyone would have somewhat a want for revenge. Antonio hurt Shylock's business and treated him terribly. But Shylock's unreasonable need of killing Antonio is wrong. He was offered the amount back fully and even more than it, but was unreasonable and not merciful towards Antonio and it hurt him in the end.
I believe that Shylock deserves some sort of revenge against Antonio but not quite to the extent that he desired. A human life never should be killed over a villainous person seeking revenge on another. If I had been Shylock, I would have happily accepted twice the ducats I had lent and forgot about the whole scenario. Alas, Shylock's myopic vision let revenge get in the way of common sense. No matter how poorly Shylock was treated, murder would not have been the right solution. In conclusion, I think that Shylock is an evil person for thinking that his "revenge" is more important than the life of a Christian.
Manuel Macias - 1 Shylocks desire for vengeance is not at all justified. I say this because yes he has a proper right to hate Christians especially towards Antonio. Although he did not need to create such a bond where it involves him killing Antonio. He simply could have rejected to give him the money and be on with his life.. But he chose the hard way.
Thomas Fleischmann - 6
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. The bond between Antonio and Shylock was broken, and the punishment was the cutting off of a pound of Antonio's flesh, but Shylock had many chances to show mercy. Even when offered a total sum of 60,000 ducats (20 times the original amount), he still plots to "have his bond". This shows the purely evil side of Shylock, as in the process of carrying out the bond could cost Antonio his life. Shylock is only out to get Antonio and strike fear into the hearts of Christians. He want's the Jews to be treated at an equal level, which is a good cause, but is going about this in a completely wrong and, to me, a quite disturbing way.
I agree because his vengeance was out of hate for Antonio, which shows he was doing this to get even instead of actually having a good reason to be angry. Shylock just hates Antonio because of his religion, which is unjust.
DeleteAban Khan - 1
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, Shylock's final decision is not justified. The bond did say that Antonio owed Shylock a pound of his flesh if Antonio failed to pay the loan back. Shylock had many opportunities to oversee his desire and to forgive Antonio. However, his stubbornness continued. Bassanio offered him three times more the ducats that he lent, but he still refused. The fact that he rejects the offer enlightens the dark side of Shylock and shows how evilness drips within his heart. He wants everybody to be equal, but as Thomas said, he is doing it the wrong way.
Niko Kerschner -1
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. However, the way in which he wanted to enact that vengeance is a bit extreme. Shylock was wronged by Antonio. Antonio spit on him, kicked him, and hurt his business. If that happened to me, I'd be wanting revenge too. But, Shylock's desire to kill Antonio is wrong. He was given many chances to show mercy, and was even offered many times the original amount owed to him. Yet, he was focused on revenge and it came back to hurt him.
Noah Rauh - 5
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, Shylock's desire is justified. Even though his desires our evil outrageous. At this point we know that Shylock won't stand down from the bond no matter how much he is offered. Antonio has cost him a lot of money, and done a lot of wrongful things to him ad this is Shylock's evil and more brutal way of returning it and enforcing equality between Christians and Jews by putting pressure on the Duke to not give in to saving the Christian but rather follow the bond that Antonio agreed to.
Marcelo Quesada - 1
ReplyDeleteShylock's desire for vengeance is justified in the sense that Antonio has done many wrongs to him, such as calling him names, spitting on him, and kicking him. Although, from the Christian perspective we are told to turn the other cheek when wrong is done upon us, and it is obvious that desiring to cut off a pound of flesh is not turning the other cheek, but is instigating trouble. So from the Christian perspective, his vengeance is seen as unjustified. Despite this, it is not hard to see why Shylock wants to exact vengeance after hearing from his and Antonio's mouths what has been done to him. A desire for vengeance can be argued as a natural human feeling, which Shylock had done in the previous act, but Shylock's method of dealing with this feeling is definitely an extreme case. Because of how extreme his vengeance is, I feel that ultimately his desire is unjustified.
Phil Volkert-1
ReplyDeleteI do think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. It is justified because the Christian's have done some terrible things to Shylock and this is his only way to retaliate. Shylock using the court as a jury to watch him and fulfill the bond was genius. He could not have went after Antonio in any other way because the court room was the only place where your religion did not determine the treatment of yourself. If someone is picking on another person it is only a matter time till they get sick of it and will try to break free from their rein. If the treatment from Antonio is too terrible to handle anymore. Shylock is in that situation and has the chance to take his life, but I think Shylock should not take Antonio's life but make sure that Antonio never calls him another name.
Declan Byrne - 5
ReplyDeleteI think that Shylock's desire for vengeance was justified to a degree. Antonio treated him terribly just because he was a Jew, and acted as though Shylock was subhuman. I do not think that Shylock was justified in attempting to take Antonio's life though. Antonio treated him horribly, but nothing that he did warranted Shylock's extreme response. Although Shylock was justified in the desire for a degree of vengeance, he was not justified in attempting to kill Antonio.
Sean Runnoe- 6
ReplyDeleteShylock's desire for vengeance is not justified in this case because to him, getting justice is to kill Antonio. Getting money from him is more satisfying because then you can see your enemy poor and bankrupt and now the more wealthy Shylock could treat Antonio like Antonio did to him. Shylock does deserve justice, but he should not be able to kill someone to get it.
Tom Barrett-6-
ReplyDeleteShylock's desire for vengeance is justified, but not the way that he wants it. Shylock and the Jewish community in Venice had been treated unequally and unjustly for hundreds of years. He had made a made a fair bond with Antonio and had set out a clear consequence of one pound of flesh if he did not receive his investment back. When Antonio does not return the money, he is at the mercy of Shylock. The duke asks him several times if he would be willing to take massive amounts of money instead of the flesh. This would be more than enough for vengeance, but Shylock insists upon the flesh. Shylock's desire is for murder, not vengeance and that is why his actions are not justified.
Mikey Tadych - 5
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. Antonio has been insulting him and all of his people for years. He should be able to seek for vengeance after everything Antonio has done to him like spitting on him and kicking him. Also, Antonio made a bond with Shylock saying that he would let him cut off a pound of his flesh if he did not pay back the three thousand ducats. Although the way that Shylock is intending to get his vengeance is extreme he deserves to get revenge on him. The Jews had been treated terribly by the Christians for years and they deserve to get revenge. Shylock should get his vengeance in a different way though, killing someone would only cause more problems that it would solve.
I believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. Antonio has been treating him like dirt for a long time. He should have the ability to revenge him. However he can not because he is a Jew. He is frowned upon be everyone, all because of his faith. Society of that time believes that christians were the best. Continued, Jews can not touch the christians.
ReplyDeleteAlex Radocha-1
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. He has been treated unfairly throughout the entire play just because he is a Jew. Antonio spit on him, kicked him, and damagedhis business. Any human being would want revenge from these actions. However, the way he wants to receive vengeance is a bit extreme. Wanting to kill or physically hurt Antonio is unessasary, but Shylock's anger is reasonable.
I think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified because Antonio has treated him very poorly over their time knowing each other. Shylock says in the play that he has watched how Antonio and other Christians treat him and he wants revenge and it will be worse than what Antonio has done to him. I think it is too harsh for Shylock to want to kill Antonio to get revenge.
ReplyDeleteI don't think shylocks desire for vengeance is not morally just. but according to the law the pound of flesh belongs to him. even though shylock has been mistreated by Christians murder is not justified. while shylock does deserve something for what has happened to him and his people killing a Christian would likely make it even harder for the Jewish people.
ReplyDeleteNick Wieber - 6
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock is justified to a certain extent. His persistence for the pound of flesh is the exception. Although I agree that Antonio must repay Shylock, Shylock was offered three times the original amount, yet he denies it. From a moral standpoint, he should accept the money and nothing more. However, a person cannot reasonably negotiate with him. Despite being labeled a Jew, that is not the reason he is being defiant. His very nature, as described through some of his speeches, is materialistic. He cares more about the money and flesh rather than being a good person.
It is human nature to want revenge when someone wrongs us. Shylock is justified in the sense that he has been wronged and wants revenge. However, throughout the trial in 4.1, Shylock continues to prove that he is so irrationally bent on killing Antonio, and his desire for revenge becomes unjust. A normal human being would want revenge, but not to the point of refusing such a massive profit on the bond just to get revenge.
ReplyDeleteSean O'Brien - 5
ReplyDeleteShylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. Shylock turned down a fortune of dockets just to cause another human pain, only because he wants to feel like he has had his revenge. Shylock even cared more about his money than he did his own daughter, which proves to us how poorly this makes Shylock look to the public. The public audience might also get the feeling that all Jews are are terrible people like Shylock is demonstrating.
Zach Sekaran - 6
ReplyDeleteThere is a stark difference between vengeance and killing another person. I agree with Daniel that wanting revenge is human, but killing a person is sick. Shylock could have made Antonio's life miserable, e.g. making Antonio work for him, but Shylock is so focused on Antonio's death that nothing would persuade him.
Jack Reilly-5
ReplyDeleteShylock's desire for vengeance is justified. This because Antonio has done many wrongs to Shylock, he has spit in his face, he kicked and disgraced his nation. Disgracing the Jewish nation probably made Shylock the most angry. Also Antonio has hurt Shylock's business. His revenge is a little extreme but if this happened to me I would look for revenge. Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified.
Grant Grosskopf - 5
ReplyDeleteI think Shylock is and is not justified for vengeance. The reason I think he is justified is because Antonio did not pay the money for the bond. Also, Antonio has been disrespecting Shylock and his religion. The reason I think he is not justified is because murder is still murder no matter what someone does to you.
Jackson Minessale 6
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's thirst for vengeance is justified. Shylock is looked down on by society because he is a Jew and is hated greatly by Christians. Although extreme, Shylock wants to kill Antonio for revenge because Antonio is Christian and his people have been prejudice to Jews for a long time. It is natural for humans to seek revenge on each other. Sure, there are alternative and better way for Antonio to get revenge on Antonio, but when it is considered that Shylock's people have been hated on by Antonio's for years, I can see where Shylock is coming from. It should be noted that murder would not be my go to plan in this situation, rather, I understand what Shylock must feel.
Jackson Minessale 6
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's thirst for vengeance is justified. Shylock is looked down on by society because he is a Jew and is hated greatly by Christians. Although extreme, Shylock wants to kill Antonio for revenge because Antonio is Christian and his people have been prejudice to Jews for a long time. It is natural for humans to seek revenge on each other. Sure, there are alternative and better way for Antonio to get revenge on Antonio, but when it is considered that Shylock's people have been hated on by Antonio's for years, I can see where Shylock is coming from. It should be noted that murder would not be my go to plan in this situation, rather, I understand what Shylock must feel.
Adam Pfankuch- 6
ReplyDeleteI think that Shylock's desire for vengeance is not justified. The fact that he is treated like trash by Christians is absolutely horrible, but that's no reason to take a man's life. The extent of Shylock's vengeance is way too far. He should still want vengeance, but he should not want to murder another human being.
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ReplyDeleteDaniel Karll-1
ReplyDeleteI think that Shylock' s desire for vengeance was justified, but the act of taking out the vengeance was not. Shylock has been berated, spat on, and been taken advantage of by Antonio so at the very least he should have wanted to find a way to get back at him. However, I think killing Antonio over his hatred towards the Christians is a little harsh and not justified.
Charlie Gutierrez- 6
ReplyDeleteI believe Shylock's thirts for vengeance on Antonio is justified, however not on the level of murdering him. Antonio has hurt Shylock's business and has been discriminating on him for his religion but Shylock is not the nicest guy in Venice either. Shylock could have a different clause in the bond then murdering Antonio as way for vengeance, but Shylock turning down 36,000 dockets, which are more important to him than his daughter speaks a lot about him.
I do not believe Shylock's desire for vengeance can be justified. Shylock lets his pride get in the way of doing the right thing. Instead of being merciful and accepting Antonio's payment of ducats, Shylock still wants to kill Antonio by taking the pound of flesh.
ReplyDeleteI believe Shylock's desire for vengeance is justified. But, the way in which he wishes to get is wrong. Shylock was surely wronged by Antonio and anyone would have somewhat a want for revenge. Antonio hurt Shylock's business and treated him terribly. But Shylock's unreasonable need of killing Antonio is wrong. He was offered the amount back fully and even more than it, but was unreasonable and not merciful towards Antonio and it hurt him in the end.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock deserves some sort of revenge against Antonio but not quite to the extent that he desired. A human life never should be killed over a villainous person seeking revenge on another. If I had been Shylock, I would have happily accepted twice the ducats I had lent and forgot about the whole scenario. Alas, Shylock's myopic vision let revenge get in the way of common sense. No matter how poorly Shylock was treated, murder would not have been the right solution. In conclusion, I think that Shylock is an evil person for thinking that his "revenge" is more important than the life of a Christian.
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DeleteManuel Macias - 1
ReplyDeleteShylocks desire for vengeance is not at all justified. I say this because yes he has a proper right to hate Christians especially towards Antonio. Although he did not need to create such a bond where it involves him killing Antonio. He simply could have rejected to give him the money and be on with his life.. But he chose the hard way.