I believe the treatment is justified. The original sentence to death is something I would agree with, considering he attempted to kill a man in a very unjust way. Even with Antonio showing him some mercy, Shylock deserves all that he is punished for. He has evil in his heart and doesn't deserve to be accepted by the Jews or the Christians. He is a pathetic excuse for a man, and I would hope his punishments would teach him a thing or two about treating others. Overall, I think the punishments and treatments of Shylock are justified.
I believe Shylock's treatment is somewhat justified. The sentence to death was defiantly not justified because it was based on anti Semitic beliefs. Antonio was completely aware of the risks that defaulting on his bond would bring, but in his arrogance and belief that Shylock wouldn't actually kill he overlooked it. When Antonio tried begging for mercy, I believe Shylock was justified not to show him any because Antonio had treated him like a worthless sock for his entire life. Therefore, Shylock did not deserve to die. However, Shylock was not a innocent man. His evil intentions of killing Antonio defiantly deserved a severe punishment, so I believe that the end punishment was justified.
Stephen Foley - 5 I believe that Shylock's punishment is completely justified. He tried with all his might to kill Antonio, which is a very severe offense. Also, he was not inclined to show Antonio any mercy. All he wanted was to kill him. Granted, Antonio had treated Shylock harshly his whole life, but that is still no excuse for murder. As for a penalty, what he got was what he deserved. Death, however, would have gone too far.
Brett Walsh-1 I believe that Shylock's punishment was justified. Shylock was in no way merciful towards Antonio so why should he get mercy in return. Even thought Shylock has been mistreated by Antonio, Shylock should still be merciful rather than kill him. I think it would have been to far if they would have killed him. The court and Antonio have the right to take his goods and his money. Shylock was a crooked, mean, and cruel person and he got what he deserves in the end.
Josh Mapalo-1 I agree that Shylock's punishment was justified. Because Shylock didn't show mercy even when there were instances when he could have. Since Shylock didn't show mercy I don't think he should receive any mercy in return. He was so fixed on his vengeance that he ignored the money even when the money was tripled! In an earlier act Shylock expressed how much he values money over his own daughter. Now he is rejecting the money just to get a pound of flesh from Antonio. Shylock is a very hateful, crazy, and a hypocrite.
Zach Sekaran - 6 I do not know how common punishments involving converting were, but from a modern perspective they overstep the purpose of the court. A court should not force someone to convert their religion, thereby ostracizing from both his former and future groups. In the U.S. this would clearly interfere with the first amendment. However, Antonio did not force Shylock to convert because he wanted Shylock to learn a greater religious truth. When Shylock converted to Christianity, he lost his trade and his ability to worship.
Zach Schumacher 1 - I think the treatment toward Shylock was justified because he had it coming for him. Shylock refused to show mercy when he was offered a 600% profit on the ducats. Shylock's unmerciful account towards Christians defends why he should not be shown any. Shylock also shows that he has no regard for human life in punishments so the same should go for his own. He became so angry at the Christians that he refused the money which must have called for a great deal of hatred considering he was more concerned with the ducats than his daughters disappearance.
The treatment of Shylock is justified because he has broken a couple of laws in Venice. He had the chance to take double the money owed, but he did not because of his hatred towards Antonio. He was blinded by his hatred towards Antonio to see that he should have realized that he could have taken the money he loved, rather than taking a life. Throughout the play, Shylock shows that he loves money more than anything, but here he shows that his hatred against Antonio is held higher than any amount of money in the world.
Danny McKenna - 1 I think Shylock's penalty was fitting. The Duke, Portia, and Antonio were the only three to show mercy for Shylock after he had denied an offer of twelve times the amount of money; the Duke helped because it was his job, Portia was trying to keep her identity, and Antonio was a humble being. Although Antonio had displayed very little mercy for Shylock, this act of kindness was very important. He helped to reduce Shylock's punishment after being convicted of plotting his death because he was distracted in his hatred for Antonio. By helping him, Antonio made Shylock's punishment stand where it should be rather than too harsh or effortless.
Sean Runnoe-6 I think the treatment of Shylock is justified because he was willing to kill a man just because he wanted to get back at him for treating him as a lower status. If he took the money and then they took that away from him that would've been unfair because that is Shylock's money, but since he was willing to kill Antonio, he deserved his punishment. Antonio may have treated Shylock like an animal, but he did not deserve to die so Shylock did deserve his punishment.
I agree with Shylock's treatment being justified. Even though Shylock is rude and bloodthirsty towards Antonio, he has not done anything that deserves a death penalty. However, I think that his constant urge to kill and get revenge on Antonio shows that he DID deserve some type of punishment. He showed no mercy for Antonio, so there is not a reason of why he should be shown mercy.
I don't think Shylock's punishment was justified, because he lived his life hating Christians and loving his money. When they told him they were going to take away half his money and force him to convert into a Christian, he begged for them to just kill him instead. I believe they should have killed him. The punishment was a little too severe.
Sundheim - 5 Shylock's punishment seems overly excessive and cruel; Portia manipulates Shylock into making a decision on the precise wording of the bond by making an outrageous demand that no blood be spilled. Had Shylock insisted that it was implied, he would have been technically wrong, but if he acquiesces, he draws himself into further punishment. The laws that Portia cites to indict Shylock make it seem that he was doomed from the second that he signed the bond with the intent to carry out the penalty of forfeiture.
Shylock's punsihment is justified. He is unwilling to do anything but what his bond says, so Portia finds a way to make Shylock's bond work against him. He had to stick to the bond and the law so he was forced to do what Antonio and the Duke said. To lose your possessions and become a Christian is not that bad of a punishment considering what he was going to do to Antonio. To cut off a pound of someone's flesh is much worse than becoming a Christian. I believe that Shylock's punishment was completely justified.
Lambo- 5 I believe that Shylock's punishment is justified because he was so unreasonable with his bond. Shylock only wanted his bond, and he was not going to change his thought and show Antonio any mercy. Shylock didn't even show mercy after Portia as Balthazar shared a powerful speech about mercy. I agree with Tadych in this situation because losing your possessions and becoming a christian isn't as bad as death even though it might seem like it is in the eyes of Shylock. I believe the punishment that Shylock receives is appropriate considering what he was going to do to Antonio.
I don't believe that Shylock's punishment was justified, while his obsession with his desire for vengeance was overwhelming and over the top, he didn't deserve to lose nearly all of his possessions and to be ostracized from society. While being a cruel man his desire for some sort of vengeance was understandable from the way Christians had treated him previously. Portia seems to have been able to let it go simply by letting Antonio live which would have been punishment enough for Shylock since he would've had to live with defeat even if he had his household and money. Overall, not the entire punishment Shylock received was necessary and seemed like it was simply another show of putting down the Jew and sticking the nail in the coffin so to speak by making him live the way he would have to live after the prosecution.
Sai Nagisetty-5 I think Shylock's punishment is justified for the most part, although it may seem harsh at times. Shylock tried to kill another human being even though he was offered three times the money he was owed. I think just letting Antonio go would not have been enough punishment for Shylock, because just facing defeat would not have been what he deserved. I believe that a death penalty would have been less harsh on Shylock than what he received, as he was mocked by being forced to become a Christian, and half his money was given to the Christian who stole his daughter. Overall, I believe Shylock's punishment was very justified, as he attempted to murder another person.
Will Steinhafel-6 I believe that the treatment of Shylock was not justified. Shylock's was trying to follow through with the terms of the bond, and to punish him for that is unjust. Even though the contract was very cruel, Antonio still agreed to it and it was bound by law. So I think it is unfair to punish Shylock and try to make him what he hates most, a Christian.
Ian Young-1 I honestly think that the punishment given to Shylock was unjustified. This is because Antonio is making him give the money Shylock owns to the man who stole his daughter (Lorenzo) when he dies. Antonio is almost giving him a slap in the face because he does not want the money to go to a Christian that has taken his daughter from him. Antonio also forces him to become a Christian, forcing him to convert from being Jewish. So now he won't be accepted by the Jews and he won't be accepted by the Christians. It's a terrible situation for Shylock to be in, he even says he would rather die than have to do these things.
Although I agree Shylock deserves to be punished, his treatment is not acceptable. No matter how terrible of a person he is, he should not have all his life's work taken away from him and be forced into isolation by forcing a religion upon him. I would even argue this is a worse punishment than killing him, which he says he would actually prefer.
His punishment is completely unjustified. For one thing, the only reason the bond was denied to him was because he was a Jew. For another thing, Antonio started it by being so cruel to him. Yet another thing is that he is forced to convert to Christianity, and that's just cruel. He is clearly a second class citizen who has no power. Antonio is an influential merchant. Also (I got this from xibalba.com), how do we know that Antonio didn't plan to trick Shylock into agreeing to this to entrap him. Portia entrapped him into thinking that he actually had a friend in the courtroom, when he didn't. He had nobody on his side. Everyone in the courtroom was on Antonio's side, but he didn't know that until the moment when Portia stopped him from taking the bond. He was constantly tormented and denied the same rights that the Christian Venetians took for granted because he was a Jew. They took away his daughter, his money, his hope and even his faith. They took away everything that he loved from him. That is not a punishment that even a bigot deserves, so it is certainly not a punishment that a powerless old man, who was cruelly victimized by his society and was denied his revenge for the same reason that they bullied him deserves.
Yes and no. Yes because he brought this upon himself by saying things about how if it's not in the bond than it shall not be. Him saying things like this seem the cause an immense back fire onto him, having him loose the case. But also I feel like they may have taken it a little bit too far, because Shylock and Antonio both agreed to this bond. After Antonio didn't live up to his part of the bond, it almost seems like he runs crying for the Duke's help at court.
Thomas Fleischmann - 6
ReplyDeleteI believe the treatment is justified. The original sentence to death is something I would agree with, considering he attempted to kill a man in a very unjust way. Even with Antonio showing him some mercy, Shylock deserves all that he is punished for. He has evil in his heart and doesn't deserve to be accepted by the Jews or the Christians. He is a pathetic excuse for a man, and I would hope his punishments would teach him a thing or two about treating others. Overall, I think the punishments and treatments of Shylock are justified.
I believe Shylock's treatment is somewhat justified. The sentence to death was defiantly not justified because it was based on anti Semitic beliefs. Antonio was completely aware of the risks that defaulting on his bond would bring, but in his arrogance and belief that Shylock wouldn't actually kill he overlooked it. When Antonio tried begging for mercy, I believe Shylock was justified not to show him any because Antonio had treated him like a worthless sock for his entire life. Therefore, Shylock did not deserve to die. However, Shylock was not a innocent man. His evil intentions of killing Antonio defiantly deserved a severe punishment, so I believe that the end punishment was justified.
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ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's punishment is completely justified. He tried with all his might to kill Antonio, which is a very severe offense. Also, he was not inclined to show Antonio any mercy. All he wanted was to kill him. Granted, Antonio had treated Shylock harshly his whole life, but that is still no excuse for murder. As for a penalty, what he got was what he deserved. Death, however, would have gone too far.
Brett Walsh-1
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's punishment was justified. Shylock was in no way merciful towards Antonio so why should he get mercy in return. Even thought Shylock has been mistreated by Antonio, Shylock should still be merciful rather than kill him. I think it would have been to far if they would have killed him. The court and Antonio have the right to take his goods and his money. Shylock was a crooked, mean, and cruel person and he got what he deserves in the end.
Josh Mapalo-1
ReplyDeleteI agree that Shylock's punishment was justified. Because Shylock didn't show mercy even when there were instances when he could have. Since Shylock didn't show mercy I don't think he should receive any mercy in return. He was so fixed on his vengeance that he ignored the money even when the money was tripled! In an earlier act Shylock expressed how much he values money over his own daughter. Now he is rejecting the money just to get a pound of flesh from Antonio. Shylock is a very hateful, crazy, and a hypocrite.
Zach Sekaran - 6
ReplyDeleteI do not know how common punishments involving converting were, but from a modern perspective they overstep the purpose of the court. A court should not force someone to convert their religion, thereby ostracizing from both his former and future groups. In the U.S. this would clearly interfere with the first amendment. However, Antonio did not force Shylock to convert because he wanted Shylock to learn a greater religious truth. When Shylock converted to Christianity, he lost his trade and his ability to worship.
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ReplyDeleteI think the treatment toward Shylock was justified because he had it coming for him. Shylock refused to show mercy when he was offered a 600% profit on the ducats. Shylock's unmerciful account towards Christians defends why he should not be shown any. Shylock also shows that he has no regard for human life in punishments so the same should go for his own. He became so angry at the Christians that he refused the money which must have called for a great deal of hatred considering he was more concerned with the ducats than his daughters disappearance.
Nick Cheung- 6
ReplyDeleteThe treatment of Shylock is justified because he has broken a couple of laws in Venice. He had the chance to take double the money owed, but he did not because of his hatred towards Antonio. He was blinded by his hatred towards Antonio to see that he should have realized that he could have taken the money he loved, rather than taking a life. Throughout the play, Shylock shows that he loves money more than anything, but here he shows that his hatred against Antonio is held higher than any amount of money in the world.
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ReplyDeleteI think Shylock's penalty was fitting. The Duke, Portia, and Antonio were the only three to show mercy for Shylock after he had denied an offer of twelve times the amount of money; the Duke helped because it was his job, Portia was trying to keep her identity, and Antonio was a humble being. Although Antonio had displayed very little mercy for Shylock, this act of kindness was very important. He helped to reduce Shylock's punishment after being convicted of plotting his death because he was distracted in his hatred for Antonio. By helping him, Antonio made Shylock's punishment stand where it should be rather than too harsh or effortless.
Sean Runnoe-6
ReplyDeleteI think the treatment of Shylock is justified because he was willing to kill a man just because he wanted to get back at him for treating him as a lower status. If he took the money and then they took that away from him that would've been unfair because that is Shylock's money, but since he was willing to kill Antonio, he deserved his punishment. Antonio may have treated Shylock like an animal, but he did not deserve to die so Shylock did deserve his punishment.
Chris Klempay-1
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shylock's treatment being justified. Even though Shylock is rude and bloodthirsty towards Antonio, he has not done anything that deserves a death penalty. However, I think that his constant urge to kill and get revenge on Antonio shows that he DID deserve some type of punishment. He showed no mercy for Antonio, so there is not a reason of why he should be shown mercy.
I don't think Shylock's punishment was justified, because he lived his life hating Christians and loving his money. When they told him they were going to take away half his money and force him to convert into a Christian, he begged for them to just kill him instead. I believe they should have killed him. The punishment was a little too severe.
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ReplyDeleteShylock's punishment seems overly excessive and cruel; Portia manipulates Shylock into making a decision on the precise wording of the bond by making an outrageous demand that no blood be spilled. Had Shylock insisted that it was implied, he would have been technically wrong, but if he acquiesces, he draws himself into further punishment. The laws that Portia cites to indict Shylock make it seem that he was doomed from the second that he signed the bond with the intent to carry out the penalty of forfeiture.
Tadych - 5
ReplyDeleteShylock's punsihment is justified. He is unwilling to do anything but what his bond says, so Portia finds a way to make Shylock's bond work against him. He had to stick to the bond and the law so he was forced to do what Antonio and the Duke said. To lose your possessions and become a Christian is not that bad of a punishment considering what he was going to do to Antonio. To cut off a pound of someone's flesh is much worse than becoming a Christian. I believe that Shylock's punishment was completely justified.
Lambo- 5
ReplyDeleteI believe that Shylock's punishment is justified because he was so unreasonable with his bond. Shylock only wanted his bond, and he was not going to change his thought and show Antonio any mercy. Shylock didn't even show mercy after Portia as Balthazar shared a powerful speech about mercy. I agree with Tadych in this situation because losing your possessions and becoming a christian isn't as bad as death even though it might seem like it is in the eyes of Shylock. I believe the punishment that Shylock receives is appropriate considering what he was going to do to Antonio.
Ulysses Quesada - 6
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that Shylock's punishment was justified, while his obsession with his desire for vengeance was overwhelming and over the top, he didn't deserve to lose nearly all of his possessions and to be ostracized from society. While being a cruel man his desire for some sort of vengeance was understandable from the way Christians had treated him previously. Portia seems to have been able to let it go simply by letting Antonio live which would have been punishment enough for Shylock since he would've had to live with defeat even if he had his household and money. Overall, not the entire punishment Shylock received was necessary and seemed like it was simply another show of putting down the Jew and sticking the nail in the coffin so to speak by making him live the way he would have to live after the prosecution.
Sai Nagisetty-5
DeleteI think Shylock's punishment is justified for the most part, although it may seem harsh at times. Shylock tried to kill another human being even though he was offered three times the money he was owed. I think just letting Antonio go would not have been enough punishment for Shylock, because just facing defeat would not have been what he deserved. I believe that a death penalty would have been less harsh on Shylock than what he received, as he was mocked by being forced to become a Christian, and half his money was given to the Christian who stole his daughter. Overall, I believe Shylock's punishment was very justified, as he attempted to murder another person.
Will Steinhafel-6
ReplyDeleteI believe that the treatment of Shylock was not justified. Shylock's was trying to follow through with the terms of the bond, and to punish him for that is unjust. Even though the contract was very cruel, Antonio still agreed to it and it was bound by law. So I think it is unfair to punish Shylock and try to make him what he hates most, a Christian.
Ian Young-1
ReplyDeleteI honestly think that the punishment given to Shylock was unjustified. This is because Antonio is making him give the money Shylock owns to the man who stole his daughter (Lorenzo) when he dies. Antonio is almost giving him a slap in the face because he does not want the money to go to a Christian that has taken his daughter from him. Antonio also forces him to become a Christian, forcing him to convert from being Jewish. So now he won't be accepted by the Jews and he won't be accepted by the Christians. It's a terrible situation for Shylock to be in, he even says he would rather die than have to do these things.
Although I agree Shylock deserves to be punished, his treatment is not acceptable. No matter how terrible of a person he is, he should not have all his life's work taken away from him and be forced into isolation by forcing a religion upon him. I would even argue this is a worse punishment than killing him, which he says he would actually prefer.
ReplyDeleteHis punishment is completely unjustified. For one thing, the only reason the bond was denied to him was because he was a Jew. For another thing, Antonio started it by being so cruel to him. Yet another thing is that he is forced to convert to Christianity, and that's just cruel. He is clearly a second class citizen who has no power. Antonio is an influential merchant. Also (I got this from xibalba.com), how do we know that Antonio didn't plan to trick Shylock into agreeing to this to entrap him. Portia entrapped him into thinking that he actually had a friend in the courtroom, when he didn't. He had nobody on his side. Everyone in the courtroom was on Antonio's side, but he didn't know that until the moment when Portia stopped him from taking the bond. He was constantly tormented and denied the same rights that the Christian Venetians took for granted because he was a Jew. They took away his daughter, his money, his hope and even his faith. They took away everything that he loved from him. That is not a punishment that even a bigot deserves, so it is certainly not a punishment that a powerless old man, who was cruelly victimized by his society and was denied his revenge for the same reason that they bullied him deserves.
ReplyDeleteYes and no. Yes because he brought this upon himself by saying things about how if it's not in the bond than it shall not be. Him saying things like this seem the cause an immense back fire onto him, having him loose the case. But also I feel like they may have taken it a little bit too far, because Shylock and Antonio both agreed to this bond. After Antonio didn't live up to his part of the bond, it almost seems like he runs crying for the Duke's help at court.
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